Another of Guy's jerseys hits the auction block

(image source:  GameWornAuctions.net)

GameWornAuctions.net's current auction has a Carbo game-worn jersey up for bids.  It is a road Dallas Stars gamer from the 1999-2000 season (the final season of Guy's career).  It is a 1st set jersey and has a lot of game wear.  It comes with a Dallas Stars team letter.

The current bid is $322.10 USD and the auction closes on December 6 at 10:00 PM EDT.  It will be interesting to see what this jersey goes for with Guy now in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

You can find the jersey here. 

Two Carbo gamers hit the auction block

Apologies for the late post, this has come on my radar just now.

GameWornAuctions.net's Spring 2019 auction features two jerseys worn by Guy.  

The first is a home jersey from the 1986-87 season, which is hammered with wear and team repairs.  The current bid for this jersey is $707.39 USD.

1986-87 Game-Worn Jersey

The second is an away jersey from the 1989-90 season, during which Carbo shared captaining duties for the Habs with Chris Chelios.  Therefore, this is one of Guy's first captain's jerseys.  The current bid for this jersey is $855.94 USD.

1989-90 Game-Worn Jersey

Both auctions close on Tuesday, May 21 at 10:00 EDT.

Guy's '93 Finals jersey hits the auction block

Classic Auctions is doing another auction and this time, Guy's red Canadiens jersey from the 1993 Stanley Cup Finals is up for bids.  This jersey was worn during games 3 and 4 of the series in Los Angeles.  Typical of Guy's game-worn jerseys, there is wear on the sleeves.  The current bid on the jersey is $1,302.  The auction ends on June 14 at 9:00 PM EDT.  To view and bid on the jersey, click here. 

Bullet points

• Delissio is once again running its Legendary Express contest, in which you can win a chance to take a train trip from Montreal to Ottawa to see a Habs game with Habs legends (including Guy). The contest is open in Quebec only and ends on May 26.  The website is here.
• Carbo has appeared in a Quebec television show focusing on athletes' lives after retiring from the game. The video is available online and if you can understand French, you can watch it here.
• One of Guy's 1995-96 Dallas Stars road jerseys is up for auction. The jersey exhibits nice game wear and is up for bids until June 17. You can view the auction here.
• And finally, an autographed stick used by Carbo is also up for bids. The auction closes on May 20 and can be viewed here.

That is all.  Enjoy!

Guy and the Basic Game Worn Jersey 101

* Edited October 12, 2013 to add photo of jersey and remove dead eBay link

This is a post I wrote on the gameworn.net forum last week involving a Carbonneau game worn jersey.  I chose not to publicize the jersey here based on the things I wrote, I was pretty sure it was a good jersey and it is, but not 100% and when you're bidding on expensive things like game worn collectibles, it's probably good to be 100% sure.  

So essentially, in case I was wrong, I didn't want to be responsible for someone's expensive mistake.  But my information here is good, which I've been told by other game worn people, and the jersey itself closed on eBay for $1950.07 which is pretty much the average/standard price for one of Guy's Montreal sweaters.

(photo source:  eBay)

 This is the sweater (eBay link is now dead) and congratulations to the person who got it, because it's terrific!  And my offer of help with photomatching still stands, I'm always happy to help out someone who likes Guy. 

This is a basic example of the things to look for, and research, when buying game worn collectibles.  It's more casual in my writing than the things I write in this blog because well, it's a forum.

Okay. I hardly ever post here but this came up. I certainly don't know as much about gameworn in general as you guys but I do know about Carbonneau, having been a hardcore collector of his stuff for over half a decade. It's not that concentrated in GW stuff -- I have a few pieces -- but I have pretty much all the random non-GW stuff that came out during the Habs era. With Dallas there was not a whole lot. Anyway.

I'm just going on what I know and what I can take a good guess at based on what I've seen and related information, but the wear on this jersey looks about right based on other Carbos I've seen. Lots of repairs on the elbows and sleeves (yep that's Guy all right) ratty crest, stick marks, etc. The 86/04 tag -- I do not know much about Habs tagging, or Maska tagging, but there was a 1986-87 home on Classic a number of years ago with the same 86/04 tag, so I'm guessing that season? The listing does not give the year, which bugs me. Also bugging me is the "obtained from a member of Leafs staff" provenance. If you're doing provenance and you're putting it on an auction page you better come up with something better than that. How did the Leafs person get it? From the Leafs? (WTF were they doing with a Habs jersey? If they had a Habs jersey, they probably would've burned it. LOL) From Carbo himself? From a collector? Was the Leafs person a collector? If so, what do they know? Questions. If I had the answers I'd put them right on the auction page instead of having people ask in because with something of that price, they're gonna ask. I know LOAs don't come even remotely close to photomatching, but yeah. The auction page does not even mention an LOA. If you're a memorabilia dealer which this seller seems to be but you're not offering one? Suspect. 7 day return policy on the auction.

Also, a friend of mine has a 1984-85 Carbonneau home (from Marc Juteau/Classic, sleeves on that one are a disaster too) and she was told by a Habs/Carbo fan that they only issued one home jersey to him that year, which is the one she has. He didn't say about the road jerseys but I'm guessing just one too. That was two years before this jersey, if the date is right. So that also explains the wear -- less jerseys. But people can also fake wear pretty well so I don't know. Also the policy on how many jerseys issued might've changed in the two years -- Habs experts?

Also. I first saw this listing this morning. It was at $1700 then. No bids, that was just the starter. The auction has obviously been pulled -- it wasn't to end for another few days -- and relisted at $1400. When it was at 17 it had 6 watchers. I can't find information on the seller other than it's apparently Glory Days Sports in Toronto. 28 Ripley. They have a Facebook page but it's basically empty. No updates. The page has been on Facebook since 2011. [This was the one thing I was wrong about, the Facebook page I was referring to was a different one, the one linked here is active.]  eBay feedback is basically good -- no negs this year -- but that's neither here nor there re: the authenticity of the jersey.

So there you go. If anyone else can shed more light, please do so. If it is legit, I'm surprised that someone hasn't already jumped on it because it's a Montreal jersey and Guy's stuff from Montreal is most desirable. Glory days. But then again, I'm also surprised that his 2nd to last jersey on gamewornauctions a few months ago went so low. It was the last of his from his NHL career to ever hit the market (the home from his final game was retained by the Stars, per Barry, and likely given to him when he retired). And it's an SCF, even if the Stars lost that series. Based on some of the prices of other Carbos from auctions past. But that always can change.

And, if it is legit, it's pretty well photomatchable and I have a very, very good shot at matching it because I have all the Les Canadiens magazines from when Guy played with them except I think the one from 1985-86 where Gainey is doing the Superman thing on the cover. And those have tons, TONS, of Guy action photos. So if someone here or someone reading this picks it up, e-mail me.

My verdict: I'm not going to give one one way or the other, I'll leave that to the rest of you, I'm just giving what I know personally.

Oh yeah. And the pasted in Wikipedia thing on Guy's career. I edited that previously so it WAS right, but I see someone has effed with it again because his draft date is listed as 1980. NOT RIGHT. It was 1979. 3rd round. 44th overall. This is why you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia for anything. 

Cheers.

A few news updates

Firstly, the jersey auction closed last week, and Carbo's last gamer (at least, the last one to be made available on the market) sold for $1378.50 before hammer fee and shipping.  Congrats to the winner -- you picked up a real gem!

Also last week, Patrick Roy was appointed head coach and vice-president of  hockey operations for the Colorado Avalanche.  Guy shared his thoughts on Roy with the Montreal Gazette:

Did he see Roy as a future coach when they were teammates? “Not as much as anybody thought that I would be a coach. It’s not something you really think about when you start your career and you’re playing hockey. But we travelled a lot together and we talked a lot about how the game is played and how to get around things and I think that’s something that we always enjoyed together.”

On Roy’s coaching career: “I think he did it a lot differently than most of us did. He went back in junior in Quebec City … not only was he a coach, but he was a GM, an owner … all those things together. He gained a lot of experience doing all of those little things.”

His advice for Roy: ”My advice to him … I think he’s already there. He’s well-prepared, he’s proved that in the past. I think expectation has to be fair. I think everybody wants to win quickly … I wouldn’t say it’s impossible, but it happens once in a while. But to understand what kind of team you have and what they can do. Too often a coach has a style and doesn’t have the players to play that style or has the players to play one kind of style and the coach doesn’t want to play that style. I think you really have to understand what kind of team you have and try to mould part of the system around it.”

On the adjustment from being a player to a coach: ”I always said that playing was the easiest thing ever. You get told when to show up to the rink, what time you need to get dressed, what time you get to go on the ice, what kind of drills you need to do, where you go for the drills, when to get off the ice. All those things are done for you, so you don’t really have to think about anything else than just get yourself prepared and show up for the game and play.

“As a coach, you have 22, 23 sometimes more players and you have to take care of a lot of things … travelling sometimes, practices … and players are human beings. They have their own problems … family problems, all those things … sickness, injuries. But it’s something that for him he saw every day, but at a different level. So it’s not going to be anything new to him, but he’s going to have to be patient and learn from the mistakes he makes. He was a great player, he was a good coach in junior, but he’s going to make mistakes … everybody does. It’s how you react to those mistakes.”

On whether he might get a call from Roy offering an assistant coach job: “I have no idea. I haven’t talked to him …. It’s up to him. He’s got control of who he wants to have around him (as vice-president of hockey operations). He’s going to have his reasons like I had when I was a coach here. I knew what I wanted around me and that’s what I got. I don’t know what he wants.”

On Roy’s infamous temper: ”They said the same thing about me, they said the same thing about Michel Bergeon, they said the same thing about Pat Burns … everybody has a temper. You have to have a temper … if you don’t have a temper, get out of there. If you don’t have temper that means you accept to fail … at one point you have to put your foot down and shake some things. He was like that when he was a player and he was successful. He was like that when he was a coach in junior and was successful. He might have to adjust a little bit, but I don’t think he has to change anything. Whatever worked in the past should work in the future … that’s why they hired him.”

On Roy adjusting to his new job: “He’s going to have a chance to meet with the players during the summer and talk to them, whether it’s on the phone or face to face, and learn a little bit more about them and they’re going to learn a little bit more about him. But I think once everybody is together for Day 1 of training camp and that first speech and that first practice he’s going to be well prepared.”

His favourite Roy story: “I have a lot of them. … We won two Cups together and we travelled every day together to the rink because we lived really close to each other. We had to change roads pretty often when we were losing … we’re both pretty superstitious. I just have great memories of him. He was always a good friend and a great competitor. He hated to lose. Hopefully he’ll keep that for his career in coaching.” (link )

Also, Guy's Selke nomination streak (1986-1990) was surpassed recently by the Red Wings' Pavel Datsyuk, who was nominated for the trophy for a sixth consecutive season.  (link)

A GEM of a Carbo gamer hits the market

In the current GAMEWORNAUCTIONS.net auction, Guy's 1999-2000 Stanley Cup Finals road jersey is up for bids.  This jersey was worn in the series against the New Jersey Devils and as such, is the 2nd to last jersey Guy ever wore in the NHL (the white home jersey worn in his final game was retained by the Stars and likely given to him upon his retirement).  

From the auction description:

Sewn to the right breast of this gamer is the 2000 Stanley Cup Finals patch. Sewn just above is the year 2000 NHL patch. The game wear on this 3rd set size 56 sweater is solid and consists of stick and slash marks, board burns, board paint transfer, un-repaired burn holes, inner pilling and a handful of team-sewn repairs. Shown above is a beautiful photo match of Carbonneau wearing this exact jersey during the Western Conference Finals against Colorado. Also shown above are video match highlights of Carbonneau wearing this exact jersey during the 2000 Stanley Cup Finals. Sewn to the inside hem is the official Dallas Stars game worn jersey and set tagging. A terrific well-worn photo and video matched example complete with the Stanley Cup Finals patch and donned by Carbonneau during the final road games of his award winning career, choice! This jersey will be accompanied by a Stars team letter.

The auction is here and ends on May 21 at 10:00 PM.  Happy bidding!

Giving a jersey its due

Aside from the gamer, I also have three Carbonneau replica jerseys.  I wanted to dedicate a post to one that I think is especially unique.

This is a replica of one of the jerseys Guy wore while playing junior hockey for the Chicoutimi Sagueneens in the 1970's.  I believe I picked it up on eBay in the spring of 2009.  It came from Singapore -- yeah, yeah, I know, knockoff jerseys and all that, but where are you going to find an official replica of a 1970's QMJHL jersey?  It also amazed me at the time that whoever replicated this thought to reproduce Guy's junior jersey.  I lovingly call it a tent, because it is absolutely huge on me (and I'm a big girl!)

Incidentally, this is Carbo's REAL Chicoutimi jersey:

(photo credit:  Classic Auctions)

So all in all, not a bad replica at all!

Some filler for the blog this afternoon -- about jerseys

For about as long as I've been a hockey fan I've been interested in jerseys.  The very first hockey jersey I ever owned was not a Carbo jersey, but a Cam Neely Bruins jersey when I was ten.  (The SECOND hockey jersey I ever owned was a Carbo jersey.  ;)  Uniform designs fascinate me -- after all, the most recognizable aspect of a team other than its logo, is the uniform its players wear.

Which is why I recently got to thinking about the uniforms Guy has worn over the years.  Of course, the Canadiens' jerseys are second to none -- they're the most time-tested design in the league.  I don't even need a photo to illustrate, as I'm sure everyone reading this blog is familiar with Montreal's uniform designs.

The uniform Guy wore during his year in St. Louis was certainly eye-catching:

And the '90s Stars uniforms are ones after my own heart.  Dallas' current jerseys leave a lot to be desired -- in fact, I think they're among the most boring designs in the entire league.  (And why do they have DALLAS across the front of the sweater?  What is this, basketball?)  The team is currently looking at a redesign of its uniforms (good!) but in the meantime, let's look back at its most classic design:

(photo by Brad Amodeo)

  

And then there's the AHL.  The Nova Scotia Voyageurs' color scheme was the same as its parent club, the Habs -- red, white, and blue (bleu, blanc, et rouge).  Here's a 21-year old Guy in a 1981 roster photo:

But what's the worst jersey Guy ever wore?  I thought about it and I decided that it had to be the Sagueneens' first jersey that the team wore after the QMJHL franchise was awarded to Chicoutimi in 1973, which Guy also wore during his first two seasons with the Sags (1976-77 and 1977-78).

  

Not a favorite of mine.  But regardless, it deserves respect because Chicoutimi brought it back as a special event jersey in the 2010-11 season to honor Guy's friend and partner on the Sagueneens management team (and also former Chicoutimi player), Gervais Munger, who passed away tragically in a boating accident in the summer of 2010.  Here's Guy at the unveiling:

For more on the fascinating subject of jerseys, I recommend this blog:  Third String Goalie